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  I just want a divorce!

  by bornfree123 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hi there, this is my first post, but i've been buzzing around this site for years.. i got married at 18, hubby was 20, i was a regular pioneer and we were talking about serving in bethel.

  fast forward - i left in 2004 after a 5 year battle with my conscience, family and friends who kept insisting that i was just "weak and needed to have another bible study".

  however hubby and i stayed together although it was kinda on the understanding that we would just not talk about it.

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  Nathan Natas

  I am not an attorney, and what I say should not be taken as legal advice.

  Bornfree123 said, " ... He immediately replied to say that he wouldn't be going along with an "unscriptual divorce" (hardly scriptual to leave your family but hey ho). This leads to my question: Is this a JW thing or is he just being pig-headed?"

  This is an old-time JW pig-headed thing.

  As a JW, he needs to see you as evil, wicked, and sinful. He wants YOU to lower yourself to meet his wicked standards and commit adultery so that he can condemn you and elevate himself.

  But he's behind-the-times, not keeping up wirh Jehovah's ox-cart-like organization. The JWs have invented the "scriptural" excuse for divorce on the basis of one mate being a "spiritual hazard" (or something like that, the precise phrase escapes me noe. Perhaps someone can fill-in the blank here.

  The basic idea behind this new idea is that he can divirce you because YOU are a threat to HIS "spirituality."

  Don't let yourself be manipulated by him into acting against your own morality OR be tricked into revealing personal information that is none of his business.

  His goal is to label you as a whore.
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  Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

  the theory of major evolution is crap!

  the theory is falling apart.

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  Nathan Natas

  CrazyGuy, you've made baby Darwin cry.
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  OK so if the Bible is crap??

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok so if the bible is nothing more then a pagan religious book, then how do all of you that think this, think we got here?

  and please don't tell me you believe in evolution, because even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory.

  so what is your opinion??

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  Nathan Natas

  Sam Harris was quoted on page 2:

  "Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What if someone says, "Well that's not how I choose to think about water."?..."

  There are other ways of thinking about water.

  I say water is one-nineth hydrogen and eight-nineths oxygen, and I am precisely correct, because I am talking about parts by weight, and Sam Harris is talking about parts by volume.

  It is important to say what your frame of reference is.

  If someone wants to make a blanket statement like "The Bible is not crap" they must realize that they are speaking for themselves or their group. They do not speak for all.

  When I say, "The Bible is crap" I am speaking for myself and for others who, like me, do not see the Christian holy book as the inspired word of god.

  Jews have no use for the "New Testament."

  Most of the other religions in the world do not think the bible is special

  Many historians think the bible is an imaginary guide to a world that NEVER existed.

  Just because you grew up in a society that hails the bible as the inerrant word of god does not mean that everyone shares your reverence. Even if everyone did share that reverence, if the bible isn't congruent with historical and scientific facts, it does not deserve the respect of intelligent people.
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  OK so if the Bible is crap??

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok so if the bible is nothing more then a pagan religious book, then how do all of you that think this, think we got here?

  and please don't tell me you believe in evolution, because even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory.

  so what is your opinion??

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  Nathan Natas

  You're welcome.
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  OK so if the Bible is crap??

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok so if the bible is nothing more then a pagan religious book, then how do all of you that think this, think we got here?

  and please don't tell me you believe in evolution, because even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory.

  so what is your opinion??

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  Nathan Natas

  ...and that the Bible is crap.
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  OK so if the Bible is crap??

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok so if the bible is nothing more then a pagan religious book, then how do all of you that think this, think we got here?

  and please don't tell me you believe in evolution, because even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory.

  so what is your opinion??

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  Nathan Natas

  I believe in evolution.
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  Tony Soprano dead at age 51

  by rip van winkle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/showbiz/james-gandolfini-obituary/index.html.

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  It was the tiger.
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  Why do animals grow old and die?...

  by nolongerconfused in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so what is a jw's explanation on why animals grow old and die?.....

  last time i checked, animals did not sin nor did they rebel against god.... so why do they have the same fate as humans?.

  has anyone asked this question?.

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  Nathan Natas

  Q. Why do animals grow old and die?

  A. So that they aren't moving when we eat them.
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  Tony Soprano dead at age 51

  by rip van winkle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/showbiz/james-gandolfini-obituary/index.html.

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  Nathan Natas

  Hey, T, dis ere shfuyadell is for you.

  

  (Sfogliatelle)
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  Regret

  by elder-schmelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  gen 6:7. so jehovah said: i am going to wipe men whom i have created off the surface of the ground, from man to domestic animal, to moving animal and to flying creature of the heavens, because i do regret that i have made them.

  8 but noah found favor in the eyes of jehovah.. .

  does he still regret making us, or did he change his mind and now he is happy?.

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  Nathan Natas

  He KNEW you were going to say that!